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'Jesus Camp' causes furor
Bismarck Tribune
By KAREN HERZOG
When Becky Fischer of Bismarck gave permission for a pair of
documentary filmmakers to film at her "Kids on Fire" prayer
camps, she felt good about the idea. She had met the
filmmakers; she liked them.
But even before the release of the film, "Jesus Camp," bloggers
were spreading the word about it: "We lost control of the
message before the movie was even released,"Fischer said.
Fischer has spent the last few weeks in the national media glare
trying to reclaim that message in the face of accusations that
young children attending these camps are being brainwashed
into becoming "foot soldiers" for a right-wing political and
religious agenda.
Talk show circuit
After "Jesus Camp" was released by Magnolia Pictures at film
festivals earlier this year, a frenzy of reaction to the film thrust
Fischer onto the talk show and news circuit. Good Morning
America, ABC News, CNN, Joe Scarborough, BBC News, the 700
Club and others, as well as numerous radio talk shows, either
reported the story or had Fischer on as a guest.
With her in many of the interviews was Mike Papantonio, an
attorney and radio talk show host for Air America's "Ring of Fire."
Papantonio appears briefly in the documentary as a voice
opposing what he calls the political activities of the Christian right.
But the bulk of the 84-minute documentary is footage of Fischer's
"Kids on Fire" camps for children, including one held each
summer near Devils Lake. The images that provoked the most
shock in viewers were those of children weeping in prayer to stop
abortion and talking about "spiritual warfare."
"Jesus Camp" is a prize-winner:It received the Special
Documentary Jury Prize at its premiere in May at New York's
Tribeca Film Festival, as well as the Sterling Award at the 2006
SilverDocs film festival outside Washington, D.C.
In August, it was screened, despite Magnolia Pictures' request
that it be pulled, at Michael Moore's Traverse City (Mich.) Film
Festival, where viewers voted it the "Scariest Film."
The movie is now in limited release, scheduled to open in select
cities this month.
Fischer said she's been getting negative feedback for weeks,
some so vicious that she's had to disconnect her home phone.
She said she has asked Magnolia Pictures not to release the film
in Bismarck, her hometown for 22 years, quite yet.
"I have to live here,"she said.
Won't disavow film
Fischer, full-time director of Kids in Ministry International and lead
pastor of The F.I.R.E. Center in Mandan, was approached a year
and a half ago by documentary filmmakers Heidi Ewing and
Rachel Grady, creators of an earlier documentary, "The Boys of
Baraka," which included a 12-year-old boy who was a preacher.
"Do you know any children who preach?" they asked her.
"I know children who preach," Fischer told them. "I know children
who heal the sick, do prophetic ministry and pray."
"We instantly became friends," Fischer said. "I felt good in my
heart about it."
Ewing and Grady flew out to North Dakota three times, spending
about eight days filming at the camp here, Fischer said.
For the two women - one Jewish, the other Catholic - it was their
first time around an evangelical community and charismatic
worship, Fischer said.
When they met, Grady and Ewing told Fischer that the film had
no agenda, it was just an exploration of a subject they were
curious about.
Afterward, the two told her that the film acquired its political
element when children at the camp were asked to pray for an
end to abortion and to pray for President Bush, Fischer said.
Fischer was pressed by some to disavow the way the film
portrayed her kids' camp.
Condensing 260 hours of film into 76 minutes distills the
experience, and camp experiences tend to be very intense, but
no images were distorted or invented, she said. Fischer said that
the majority of people who were filmed feel they were presented
fairly.
Rather than disavow "Jesus Camp," Fischer ultimately decided to
accept the intense publicity as a way to get her message out in a
way she could never have done otherwise.
Spiritual warfare
Fischer has been grilled by interviewers about a segment which
some think shows children "worshipping" a cardboard cutout of
Bush, another in which children perform a drama in camouflage
and use "war" language, others in which children weep when
talking about stopping abortion, as well as a clip of Fischer
talking about how the Taliban trains youngsters to its cause.
Most people outside the charismatic community have no context,
no "grid," as Fischer calls it, to understand what they are seeing.
In interview after interview, Fischer says the image of children
touching a cardboard image of Bush is not "worship," she said:
"Absolutely not."
"The Bible tells believers to pray for leaders and for those in
authority," she said. "What people are seeing is children praying
for the president."
Fischer makes the point that if these images of children speaking
in tongues, of dancing and praying, were in a black church,
people would think nothing of it. But because the children are
mostly white, people don't expect to see this, she said.
Is this abusive? Their parents are standing right there, Fischer
said. If they felt the children were being abused or traumatized,
they could have stepped in, she said.
Adults also are shocked because they rarely see children "this
passionate" about anything, Fischer believes, or never feel
passionate about faith themselves.
What about the language of warfare, the children performing in
camouflage makeup?
Insider language, she says. Today, people hear "war" words and
think only "terrorism," she said.
Phrases from the Bible urge believers to "fight the good fight" of
faith, she said, "against what wars against our soul. This is
spiritual warfare. Our weapons are not guns and bombs, but
prayer."
"People are not our enemies."
Emotional
manipulation feared
One local clergyman who has seen the film in its entirety, the
Rev. Jim Moos of Bismarck's United Church of Christ, is
uncomfortable with a lot of it, he said.
"I heard a lot of language of 'war' and 'enemy,' " he said. "Jesus
talked about enemies a lot - he talked about loving them and
praying for them."
Moos said Fischer has the right to do what she is doing, but he
sees in the documentary the emotional manipulation of children
in unhealthy ways.
"It's certainly never too early to expose children to faith,"Moos
said. "I'm not sure that taking 5-, 6-, 7-, 8-year-olds and instilling
them with fear and guilt, is eliciting the kind of faith commitments
we would all like to see."
Moos, who has served as a military chaplain, also said he doesn't
like the blending of religion and patriotism:"I'm uncomfortable
wrapping Jesus in the flag," he said.
"My question is, what does any of this have to do with the
cross?"he said. "Are Christians supposed to seek power and rule
the state?"
Moos believes that Christians should be conscience of the state,
but there's no call to rule.
"This call to power - I'm not sure Isee any connection between
that and the self-giving love that is in the cross."
Evangelicals may be concerned about the message in this film as
well, he said: "I don't see this as a liberal-conservative divide."
In the film Fischer talked about Muslim extremists, Moos said,
"and sort of held them up as a model, as if to say they have the
correct method but the wrong message."
"I'm trying to be fair, but I hear no talk of love or grace or
acceptance. (It's a) very hard, 'this is war' message."
Minister says camps
misrepresented
A lot of what has been written about Fischer is "very, very
inaccurate," said the Rev. Alan Koch, pastor of the Church of
Christ Triumphant, based in Lee's Summit, Mo., a suburb of
Kansas City. Fischer is ordained for ministry through this
charismatic church.
Koch said that he has known Becky Fischer for four years. Some
of the children from his church have attended Fischer's camps.
"Regretfully," from Koch's point of view, "the documentary does
not reflect her. She is not political or militant. She wants kids who
carry Bibles and proclaim the love of God."
"Jesus Camp" really didn't do justice to what was really taking
place,he said. "The camps are showing kids how wonderful a
relationship with Jesus really is, as well as the importance of
prayer, that prayer really changes things," he said.
"The gist (of the camps) is teaching kids that God really does
love them, cares for them. God does love people, regardless of
whether they follow him or or not. Teaching them to treat others
with dignity and respect."
"The lives of these kids have changed," he said. "When they
come back (from camp), they are more concerned with their
relationship with Jesus than before. They get along better with
siblings and other kids, become model students. They want to
excel and lead others."
Free with emotion
The sight of children weeping over abortion, or prophesying or
praying, is outside the comfort zone of many Christian circles,
Fischer said.
But to charismatic believers, these are familiar worship
experiences, she said. "In the charismatic community, we are
very free with emotion, dancing, raising, clapping our hands."
Fischer, who's been a children's pastor for 15 years, grew up in a
traditional Pentecostal church environment and became
"born-again"at an early age.
Statistics estimate charismatics to be one-fourth to one-third of
the 80 million to 100 million Americans who call themselves
evangelicals. Fischer said that charismatics are the
fastest-growing segment of evangelicals, citing a figure of 600
million worldwide.
Theologically, charismatics believe in God as Trinity, in Jesus
Christ as the incarnate Son of God and the validity of the Bible,
Fischer said.
"Where we part company (with other evangelicals) is charismatics
believe the supernatural is alive and well," she said.
"Evangelicals believe that miracles ended when the Bible ended.
We still believe in the supernatural. We still believe in the
miraculous."
Christianity is in danger of losing an entire generation of its
children, Fischer said. She said that 70 percent of children leave
the church when they become teenagers and never come back.
Children form their core beliefs by age 6 or 7; what they believe
then, they will believe the rest of their lives, she said.
She believes the way to keep children is to give them, not
watered-down Bible stories, but what she calls "the meat" of faith.
Children, she believes, are an "untapped resource" of potential
ministers of the gospel.
'Cutting edge'
Karen Sattem, a speech therapist from Newark, Del., met Fischer
at a conference about six years ago and became one of
Fischer's first financial supporters.
"Becky has such a heart to see children move out in the realm of
the spirit of God,"Sattem said. "We both believe that children can
be used mightily by God at a young age," she said. "Becky's
philosophy is the same - that children can be ministers. I have
seen so many children (perform) signs, wonders, miracles.
"Children have to be led and taught how to move in the spirit,"
Sattem said. Children's tears, Sattem believes, are "the heart-cry
of God, crying for souls. They are intercessors."
Sattem said that she expected that "people of the (secular)
world" wouldn't understand the film. There also was a lot of
misunderstanding even among Christians:That was hurtful,
Sattem said.
Fischer is "on the maximum cutting edge with children in
ministry,"Sattem said, "and is daring to take them into realms that
nobody has ever done. This is a new thing."
"People are looking for the realm of the supernatural. They want
to know there's a real God. They want to see miracles, to see
healing flow."
People today can "walk and talk with God,"Sattem said, "if we
learn how to tune into it and get all distractions out, to train them
to shut down, be quiet and obey. Everything in the Bible is based
on trust and obey,"she said.
As for the current strong reaction to the film, Sattem says, "the
most persecution that you get, the more the breakthrough comes
when the dust settles.Ibelieve that's what's going to happen."
Church and state
Don Morrison, of Bismarck, director of the North Dakota Center
for the Public Good, also has seen "Jesus Camp" in its entirety.
"My reaction is that these people have every right to do what
they're doing, but it goes against all the traditions and core
values of America," he said. "They actually look at the Islamic
jihadist as the role model for what (Fischer) wants to do in this
country," he said. "It's bringing back religious warfare to our
culture."
In the film, talk show host Papantonio, who is a member of the
United Methodist Church, warns against the mingling of church
and state.
For Fischer, the political cannot be separated from belief.
"We can't believe one thing and live another. Belief does not stop
at the voting booth," she said. "For born-again Christians, our
opinions look to the Word of God for answers. (For) all issues,
that's where we go.
"We go to the Bible, it's our foundation and anchor."
Fischer said that fears of creating an American Christian
"theocracy" are unfounded.
"We have no intention of forcing people to become Christians,"
she said. "We just want to get back to where we were."
Christians are tired, she said, of children not being able to pray
over their school lunch or sing Christmas carols.
Silent mainstream
In American history, Morrison, a former Sunday School teacher,
said, "These folks have risen and fallen. Each time they've risen,
most Americans have said, 'I don't think so.' "
What's been different in the last 30 years, Morrison said, is that
mainstream Americans have been silent.
"Nobody is speaking out. Mainstream religion has been silent in
public up to this point. Nobody wants to be the first person to say,
'This has gone too far.' "
Morrison said that the religious right has a stranglehold on
American views on religion: His question to the public would be:
"How can we live together and respect each other? What kind of
world do we want to live in?"
To view Becky Fischer's media interviews, visit
http://country95radio.com/JesusCamp.html.
For more information about the documentary, visit
http://www.magpictures.com.
(Reach Karen Herzog at 250-8267 or
karen.herzog@;bismarcktribune.com.
Bismarck Tribune
By KAREN HERZOG
When Becky Fischer of Bismarck gave permission for a pair of
documentary filmmakers to film at her "Kids on Fire" prayer
camps, she felt good about the idea. She had met the
filmmakers; she liked them.
But even before the release of the film, "Jesus Camp," bloggers
were spreading the word about it: "We lost control of the
message before the movie was even released,"Fischer said.
Fischer has spent the last few weeks in the national media glare
trying to reclaim that message in the face of accusations that
young children attending these camps are being brainwashed
into becoming "foot soldiers" for a right-wing political and
religious agenda.
Talk show circuit
After "Jesus Camp" was released by Magnolia Pictures at film
festivals earlier this year, a frenzy of reaction to the film thrust
Fischer onto the talk show and news circuit. Good Morning
America, ABC News, CNN, Joe Scarborough, BBC News, the 700
Club and others, as well as numerous radio talk shows, either
reported the story or had Fischer on as a guest.
With her in many of the interviews was Mike Papantonio, an
attorney and radio talk show host for Air America's "Ring of Fire."
Papantonio appears briefly in the documentary as a voice
opposing what he calls the political activities of the Christian right.
But the bulk of the 84-minute documentary is footage of Fischer's
"Kids on Fire" camps for children, including one held each
summer near Devils Lake. The images that provoked the most
shock in viewers were those of children weeping in prayer to stop
abortion and talking about "spiritual warfare."
"Jesus Camp" is a prize-winner:It received the Special
Documentary Jury Prize at its premiere in May at New York's
Tribeca Film Festival, as well as the Sterling Award at the 2006
SilverDocs film festival outside Washington, D.C.
In August, it was screened, despite Magnolia Pictures' request
that it be pulled, at Michael Moore's Traverse City (Mich.) Film
Festival, where viewers voted it the "Scariest Film."
The movie is now in limited release, scheduled to open in select
cities this month.
Fischer said she's been getting negative feedback for weeks,
some so vicious that she's had to disconnect her home phone.
She said she has asked Magnolia Pictures not to release the film
in Bismarck, her hometown for 22 years, quite yet.
"I have to live here,"she said.
Won't disavow film
Fischer, full-time director of Kids in Ministry International and lead
pastor of The F.I.R.E. Center in Mandan, was approached a year
and a half ago by documentary filmmakers Heidi Ewing and
Rachel Grady, creators of an earlier documentary, "The Boys of
Baraka," which included a 12-year-old boy who was a preacher.
"Do you know any children who preach?" they asked her.
"I know children who preach," Fischer told them. "I know children
who heal the sick, do prophetic ministry and pray."
"We instantly became friends," Fischer said. "I felt good in my
heart about it."
Ewing and Grady flew out to North Dakota three times, spending
about eight days filming at the camp here, Fischer said.
For the two women - one Jewish, the other Catholic - it was their
first time around an evangelical community and charismatic
worship, Fischer said.
When they met, Grady and Ewing told Fischer that the film had
no agenda, it was just an exploration of a subject they were
curious about.
Afterward, the two told her that the film acquired its political
element when children at the camp were asked to pray for an
end to abortion and to pray for President Bush, Fischer said.
Fischer was pressed by some to disavow the way the film
portrayed her kids' camp.
Condensing 260 hours of film into 76 minutes distills the
experience, and camp experiences tend to be very intense, but
no images were distorted or invented, she said. Fischer said that
the majority of people who were filmed feel they were presented
fairly.
Rather than disavow "Jesus Camp," Fischer ultimately decided to
accept the intense publicity as a way to get her message out in a
way she could never have done otherwise.
Spiritual warfare
Fischer has been grilled by interviewers about a segment which
some think shows children "worshipping" a cardboard cutout of
Bush, another in which children perform a drama in camouflage
and use "war" language, others in which children weep when
talking about stopping abortion, as well as a clip of Fischer
talking about how the Taliban trains youngsters to its cause.
Most people outside the charismatic community have no context,
no "grid," as Fischer calls it, to understand what they are seeing.
In interview after interview, Fischer says the image of children
touching a cardboard image of Bush is not "worship," she said:
"Absolutely not."
"The Bible tells believers to pray for leaders and for those in
authority," she said. "What people are seeing is children praying
for the president."
Fischer makes the point that if these images of children speaking
in tongues, of dancing and praying, were in a black church,
people would think nothing of it. But because the children are
mostly white, people don't expect to see this, she said.
Is this abusive? Their parents are standing right there, Fischer
said. If they felt the children were being abused or traumatized,
they could have stepped in, she said.
Adults also are shocked because they rarely see children "this
passionate" about anything, Fischer believes, or never feel
passionate about faith themselves.
What about the language of warfare, the children performing in
camouflage makeup?
Insider language, she says. Today, people hear "war" words and
think only "terrorism," she said.
Phrases from the Bible urge believers to "fight the good fight" of
faith, she said, "against what wars against our soul. This is
spiritual warfare. Our weapons are not guns and bombs, but
prayer."
"People are not our enemies."
Emotional
manipulation feared
One local clergyman who has seen the film in its entirety, the
Rev. Jim Moos of Bismarck's United Church of Christ, is
uncomfortable with a lot of it, he said.
"I heard a lot of language of 'war' and 'enemy,' " he said. "Jesus
talked about enemies a lot - he talked about loving them and
praying for them."
Moos said Fischer has the right to do what she is doing, but he
sees in the documentary the emotional manipulation of children
in unhealthy ways.
"It's certainly never too early to expose children to faith,"Moos
said. "I'm not sure that taking 5-, 6-, 7-, 8-year-olds and instilling
them with fear and guilt, is eliciting the kind of faith commitments
we would all like to see."
Moos, who has served as a military chaplain, also said he doesn't
like the blending of religion and patriotism:"I'm uncomfortable
wrapping Jesus in the flag," he said.
"My question is, what does any of this have to do with the
cross?"he said. "Are Christians supposed to seek power and rule
the state?"
Moos believes that Christians should be conscience of the state,
but there's no call to rule.
"This call to power - I'm not sure Isee any connection between
that and the self-giving love that is in the cross."
Evangelicals may be concerned about the message in this film as
well, he said: "I don't see this as a liberal-conservative divide."
In the film Fischer talked about Muslim extremists, Moos said,
"and sort of held them up as a model, as if to say they have the
correct method but the wrong message."
"I'm trying to be fair, but I hear no talk of love or grace or
acceptance. (It's a) very hard, 'this is war' message."
Minister says camps
misrepresented
A lot of what has been written about Fischer is "very, very
inaccurate," said the Rev. Alan Koch, pastor of the Church of
Christ Triumphant, based in Lee's Summit, Mo., a suburb of
Kansas City. Fischer is ordained for ministry through this
charismatic church.
Koch said that he has known Becky Fischer for four years. Some
of the children from his church have attended Fischer's camps.
"Regretfully," from Koch's point of view, "the documentary does
not reflect her. She is not political or militant. She wants kids who
carry Bibles and proclaim the love of God."
"Jesus Camp" really didn't do justice to what was really taking
place,he said. "The camps are showing kids how wonderful a
relationship with Jesus really is, as well as the importance of
prayer, that prayer really changes things," he said.
"The gist (of the camps) is teaching kids that God really does
love them, cares for them. God does love people, regardless of
whether they follow him or or not. Teaching them to treat others
with dignity and respect."
"The lives of these kids have changed," he said. "When they
come back (from camp), they are more concerned with their
relationship with Jesus than before. They get along better with
siblings and other kids, become model students. They want to
excel and lead others."
Free with emotion
The sight of children weeping over abortion, or prophesying or
praying, is outside the comfort zone of many Christian circles,
Fischer said.
But to charismatic believers, these are familiar worship
experiences, she said. "In the charismatic community, we are
very free with emotion, dancing, raising, clapping our hands."
Fischer, who's been a children's pastor for 15 years, grew up in a
traditional Pentecostal church environment and became
"born-again"at an early age.
Statistics estimate charismatics to be one-fourth to one-third of
the 80 million to 100 million Americans who call themselves
evangelicals. Fischer said that charismatics are the
fastest-growing segment of evangelicals, citing a figure of 600
million worldwide.
Theologically, charismatics believe in God as Trinity, in Jesus
Christ as the incarnate Son of God and the validity of the Bible,
Fischer said.
"Where we part company (with other evangelicals) is charismatics
believe the supernatural is alive and well," she said.
"Evangelicals believe that miracles ended when the Bible ended.
We still believe in the supernatural. We still believe in the
miraculous."
Christianity is in danger of losing an entire generation of its
children, Fischer said. She said that 70 percent of children leave
the church when they become teenagers and never come back.
Children form their core beliefs by age 6 or 7; what they believe
then, they will believe the rest of their lives, she said.
She believes the way to keep children is to give them, not
watered-down Bible stories, but what she calls "the meat" of faith.
Children, she believes, are an "untapped resource" of potential
ministers of the gospel.
'Cutting edge'
Karen Sattem, a speech therapist from Newark, Del., met Fischer
at a conference about six years ago and became one of
Fischer's first financial supporters.
"Becky has such a heart to see children move out in the realm of
the spirit of God,"Sattem said. "We both believe that children can
be used mightily by God at a young age," she said. "Becky's
philosophy is the same - that children can be ministers. I have
seen so many children (perform) signs, wonders, miracles.
"Children have to be led and taught how to move in the spirit,"
Sattem said. Children's tears, Sattem believes, are "the heart-cry
of God, crying for souls. They are intercessors."
Sattem said that she expected that "people of the (secular)
world" wouldn't understand the film. There also was a lot of
misunderstanding even among Christians:That was hurtful,
Sattem said.
Fischer is "on the maximum cutting edge with children in
ministry,"Sattem said, "and is daring to take them into realms that
nobody has ever done. This is a new thing."
"People are looking for the realm of the supernatural. They want
to know there's a real God. They want to see miracles, to see
healing flow."
People today can "walk and talk with God,"Sattem said, "if we
learn how to tune into it and get all distractions out, to train them
to shut down, be quiet and obey. Everything in the Bible is based
on trust and obey,"she said.
As for the current strong reaction to the film, Sattem says, "the
most persecution that you get, the more the breakthrough comes
when the dust settles.Ibelieve that's what's going to happen."
Church and state
Don Morrison, of Bismarck, director of the North Dakota Center
for the Public Good, also has seen "Jesus Camp" in its entirety.
"My reaction is that these people have every right to do what
they're doing, but it goes against all the traditions and core
values of America," he said. "They actually look at the Islamic
jihadist as the role model for what (Fischer) wants to do in this
country," he said. "It's bringing back religious warfare to our
culture."
In the film, talk show host Papantonio, who is a member of the
United Methodist Church, warns against the mingling of church
and state.
For Fischer, the political cannot be separated from belief.
"We can't believe one thing and live another. Belief does not stop
at the voting booth," she said. "For born-again Christians, our
opinions look to the Word of God for answers. (For) all issues,
that's where we go.
"We go to the Bible, it's our foundation and anchor."
Fischer said that fears of creating an American Christian
"theocracy" are unfounded.
"We have no intention of forcing people to become Christians,"
she said. "We just want to get back to where we were."
Christians are tired, she said, of children not being able to pray
over their school lunch or sing Christmas carols.
Silent mainstream
In American history, Morrison, a former Sunday School teacher,
said, "These folks have risen and fallen. Each time they've risen,
most Americans have said, 'I don't think so.' "
What's been different in the last 30 years, Morrison said, is that
mainstream Americans have been silent.
"Nobody is speaking out. Mainstream religion has been silent in
public up to this point. Nobody wants to be the first person to say,
'This has gone too far.' "
Morrison said that the religious right has a stranglehold on
American views on religion: His question to the public would be:
"How can we live together and respect each other? What kind of
world do we want to live in?"
To view Becky Fischer's media interviews, visit
http://country95radio.com/JesusCamp.html.
For more information about the documentary, visit
http://www.magpictures.com.
(Reach Karen Herzog at 250-8267 or
karen.herzog@;bismarcktribune.com.
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